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when ronald reagan said, there you go again, it was completely natural to him. as you know, chris, carter was right, he had opposed medicare at the start, but when reagan said, there you go again, it actually sort of discounted everything else that carter had said in that debate. so they've got to be organic, they've got to be natural, they've got to be real. i think everybody at least in the political class who has seen this report is going to be watching the debate to see if we can sort of tick off, oh, that was the prepared zinger. did he bring it off? >> oh, yeah. >> the other thing is he's not very good at this. i mean, you know, i know they don't want him to be spontaneous because he'll say the wrong thing, but delivering a prepared funny line seems to me to be one of the hardest tasks, probably even harder than telling us what's in his tax plan. >> as a journalist, joan, i want your view. suppose you're watching the debate, as we all will be, everybody is going to be watching wednesday night, and you see what is obviously a prefab zinger that doesn't even
when ronald reagan said, there you go again, it was completely natural to him. as you know, chris, carter was right, he had opposed medicare at the start, but when reagan said, there you go again, it actually sort of discounted everything else that carter had said in that debate. so they've got to be organic, they've got to be natural, they've got to be real. i think everybody at least in the political class who has seen this report is going to be watching the debate to see if we can sort of...
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. >> but ronald reagan, people forget, before the debate, ronald reagan was painted as this looney, right-wing fanatic that would start world war iii, dr. strangelove, and it was the debate that stuck a needle in that balloon. >> i remember it well. >> not even born yet. i mean, this is romney's chance. >> sure. >> to connect with the american people. >> to pick up on mike's point, fascinating number from the poll is this. 51% of people who said they had heard or read something about romney in the last couple weeks said what they had heard or read made them think more negatively about him. more positively, that number was 48%. they've heard him going into this debate. this provides them a chance to say, listen, that guy you saw in the video, that's not me. i'm a different type of person. he can reset in that sense. i'm sort of with al on this. i spent a lot of time over the past week watching all of romney's debates from 2002. i watched every single debate. there were five of them. i read hundreds of clips in 2002. he was against a democrat. >> you really should get a life. >> i know, it's pat
. >> but ronald reagan, people forget, before the debate, ronald reagan was painted as this looney, right-wing fanatic that would start world war iii, dr. strangelove, and it was the debate that stuck a needle in that balloon. >> i remember it well. >> not even born yet. i mean, this is romney's chance. >> sure. >> to connect with the american people. >> to pick up on mike's point, fascinating number from the poll is this. 51% of people who said they had...
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the government decided under ronald reagan at first, give them a tax credit. in other words, send them a tax -- >> incentivize them to work. >> ryan knows this but he's just pandering to the worst instincts of his audience. >> martin, i don't know how -- or what goes through someone like -- the head of someone like paul ryan where he isn't going to accept the framework of that proposition, which has been so damaging. really a sensible candidate wouldn't try and accept the premise of the question. he'd try and explain it. he'd say, this is where we want to move the country. not about work, but it's been so damaging to sort of accept it and engage in it and embrace it, it is such a losing proposition. even the research from his own campaign must tell him that. >> john, you have previously remarked to me on the fact you regard paul ryan as a smart man. a man that understands numbers. that 47% tape has been out there for almost three weeks and he's making that kind of comment yesterday. is he really that smart? >> well, he's very smart on the budget numbers, but h
the government decided under ronald reagan at first, give them a tax credit. in other words, send them a tax -- >> incentivize them to work. >> ryan knows this but he's just pandering to the worst instincts of his audience. >> martin, i don't know how -- or what goes through someone like -- the head of someone like paul ryan where he isn't going to accept the framework of that proposition, which has been so damaging. really a sensible candidate wouldn't try and accept the...
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reagan said there you go again, and it changed it for ronald reagan. >> talk about that fight night. many think because of where romney is it is a make or break moment for him. i love to hear the commentators fall over themselves to compliment each other for once on the campaign trail. you have mitt romney saying the president is obviously a very eloquent, gifted speaker, david axelrod says i think the invasion of normandy took less preparation than romney putting into the debates. let's get real for a moment. who is the better debater really? >> they're both mediocre debaiters. barack obama didn't win debates, joe biden won. actual debates, harvard and yale coaches enjoy will be paul ryan and joe biden. they'll be better. romney is good in a group setting, hasn't done a lot of one on one. the president, john mccain wasn't the best debater either. >> i talked to nathan sproul, how much ground romney has to gain, could be as much as seven points, that's a lot to gain through a debate performance. two guys can be well prepared, one sitting president. >> he did against bush. >> it is no
reagan said there you go again, and it changed it for ronald reagan. >> talk about that fight night. many think because of where romney is it is a make or break moment for him. i love to hear the commentators fall over themselves to compliment each other for once on the campaign trail. you have mitt romney saying the president is obviously a very eloquent, gifted speaker, david axelrod says i think the invasion of normandy took less preparation than romney putting into the debates. let's...
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the exchange between ronald reagan and walter mondale demonstrates probably a very, very effective use of this. let's take a look. >> i will not make age an issue of this campaign. i am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience. >> did mondale's reaction help him there? >> i don't think it hurt him. i think what you saw was net positive. i think it definitely helped reagan. i mean, he owned this criticism verbally, and he delivered it so comfortably and so warmly. i think mondale's reaction was comfortable and authentic and warm in response. i think the general feeling was positive, but people are -- voters attribute that positive feeling that they had to reagan, not to mondale. >> it's really fascinating stuff. appreciate your expertise. thank you. >> thanks. thank you. >>> i find that stuff fascinating. we'll be looking for body language tomorrow night. there's a lot more to follow. susan hendricks joins us. >>> according to american airlines, an internal investigation shows an improperly installed clamp is to blame for loose passenger seats on
the exchange between ronald reagan and walter mondale demonstrates probably a very, very effective use of this. let's take a look. >> i will not make age an issue of this campaign. i am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience. >> did mondale's reaction help him there? >> i don't think it hurt him. i think what you saw was net positive. i think it definitely helped reagan. i mean, he owned this criticism verbally, and he delivered it so...
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reagan and do a there you go again and make something of that in the ensuing campaign and also outside events, obviously, iran, the hostage situation was fatally damaging to jimmy carter. but -- >> you can only make the case that really three presidential elections of the modern elections, the debates really played an important role. 1980 was one of those. >> 1960. >> 1960 and probably gerald ford's election where he said that the eastern europe was not -- or poland was not dominated by the soviet union, made some difference in a close election. but this is going to be a close election. in spite of what you see in some of the polls, some are close now, the fundamental dynamics of this race are quite close and so its could make a difference in this race. >> thank you so much. >>> up next, is iraq unraveling? a look at where the u.s. policy stands now, next on "andrea mitchell reports." we make a simple thing. a thing that helps you buy other things. but plenty of companies do that. so we make something else. we help make life a little easier, more convenient, more rewarding, more entert
reagan and do a there you go again and make something of that in the ensuing campaign and also outside events, obviously, iran, the hostage situation was fatally damaging to jimmy carter. but -- >> you can only make the case that really three presidential elections of the modern elections, the debates really played an important role. 1980 was one of those. >> 1960. >> 1960 and probably gerald ford's election where he said that the eastern europe was not -- or poland was not...
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reagan looked and said there you go again, and it changed it for ronald reagan. >> let's talk about that fight night. a lot of commentators think of because where romney is it's a make-or-break moment for him. i love to hear all the commentators fall over themselves to compliment each other for once on the campaign trail. you had mitt romney saying the president obviously is a very eloquent gifted speaker. david axelrod said i think the invasion of normandy took less preparation than romney is putting into these debates. who is the better debater? >> i think they are both mediocre debaters. president obama didn't win any of those debates, joe biden won them. the harvard and yale debates, will be paul ryan and joe biden. they will be better at it. romney is good in a group setting, not done a lot of one-on-one. john mccain wasn't the best debater either. he doesn't blow anybody away. >> i spoke with nate silver from the "new york times" who has looked at all the polls and how much ground mitt romney has to gain, as much as seven points, a lot to gain in some of the key battleground s
reagan looked and said there you go again, and it changed it for ronald reagan. >> let's talk about that fight night. a lot of commentators think of because where romney is it's a make-or-break moment for him. i love to hear all the commentators fall over themselves to compliment each other for once on the campaign trail. you had mitt romney saying the president obviously is a very eloquent gifted speaker. david axelrod said i think the invasion of normandy took less preparation than...
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reagan looked and said there you go again, and it changed it for ronald reagan. >> let's talk about that fight night. a lot of commentators think of because where romney is it's a make-or-break moment for him. i love to hear all the commentators fall over themselves to compliment each other for once on the campaign trail. you had mitt romney saying the president obviously is a very eloquent gifted speaker. david axelrod said i think the invasion of normandy took less preparation than romney is putting into these debates. who is the better debater? >> i think they are both mediocre debaters. president obama didn't win any of those debates, joe biden won them. the harvard and yale debates, will be paul ryan and joe biden. they will be better at it. romney is good in a group setting, not done a lot of one-on-one. john mccain wasn't the best debater either. he doesn't blow anybody away. >> i spoke with nate silver from the "new york times" who has looked at all the polls and how much ground mitt romney has to gain, as much as seven points, a lot to gain in some of the key battleground s
reagan looked and said there you go again, and it changed it for ronald reagan. >> let's talk about that fight night. a lot of commentators think of because where romney is it's a make-or-break moment for him. i love to hear all the commentators fall over themselves to compliment each other for once on the campaign trail. you had mitt romney saying the president obviously is a very eloquent gifted speaker. david axelrod said i think the invasion of normandy took less preparation than...
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president ronald reagan once called him a national treasure. andy williams was 84. >>> iranian president mum newed ahmadinejad addresses the national assembly. on tuesday president obama told the assembly that tehran is running out of time to solve its disputed nuclear program and vowed the u.s. will do what it must to prevent obtain from obtaining a nuclear weapon. in an interview with associated press ahmadinejad called for a new world order. here in new york city public outrage as the openly anti-israel ahmadinejad addresses the u.n. on yam kippur. >>> the nfl replacement have many fans outraged. some are already able to laugh, or maybe cry, about the whole mess. check out this parody from seth heck at kfan radio in minneapolis. ♪ threw my wish in a well got a call from roger goodell i said i'm on my way i trade my soul for a wish personally thank the co mmi sh am i prepared for this who cares, i'm on my way coaches, were holding ripped jersey, skin was showing which way is the ball going save me ♪ ♪ hey, i just met you that play was c
president ronald reagan once called him a national treasure. andy williams was 84. >>> iranian president mum newed ahmadinejad addresses the national assembly. on tuesday president obama told the assembly that tehran is running out of time to solve its disputed nuclear program and vowed the u.s. will do what it must to prevent obtain from obtaining a nuclear weapon. in an interview with associated press ahmadinejad called for a new world order. here in new york city public outrage as...
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ronald reagan talked about we don't have political enemies but political opponents. we were never able to look at each other as each o''s emmys. now we have a generation of politicians who honest to god look across the aisle and see the differences. they don't see us as americans. they do view each other as enemies and it's having a terrible, terrible impact in being able to govern the country. we have to focus on how to make this country more competitive in ten years, 20 years. >> it's going to be hard. steve schmidt? >> i think it's fast naying that john heilemann owes five emmys to steve's very existence. >> thank you, thank you steve, thank you very much. it's a great column. >> some man love going on. frank, that's great. thank you so much. >>> up next. they just received their star on hollywood walk of fame. we'll talk to two members of the legendary band heart next on "morning joe." if we want to improve our schools... ...what should we invest in? maybe new buildings? what about updated equipment? they can help, but recent research shows... ...nothing transfor
ronald reagan talked about we don't have political enemies but political opponents. we were never able to look at each other as each o''s emmys. now we have a generation of politicians who honest to god look across the aisle and see the differences. they don't see us as americans. they do view each other as enemies and it's having a terrible, terrible impact in being able to govern the country. we have to focus on how to make this country more competitive in ten years, 20 years. >> it's...
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and ronald reagan won that election in a landslide. more recently osama bin laden released a video four days before the 2004 election, remember? that reminder of the 9/11 attacks probably helped george w. bush win a second term. 2008 the financial meltdown technically that started in september with the collapse of lehman brothers, but it was a moment that boosted barack obama and highlighted john mccain's weakness when it came to the economy. so what about this year 2012? that old video of an angry speech with racial overtones by then candidate obama which resurfaced last night could sway some voters. or maybe the surprise is still lurking out there somewhere. tonight's debate has the potential to provide one. there's always a chance for significant economic news, jobs report, the potential for the u.s. to go off that well-talked about fiscal cliff. and it's not hard to imagine some unexpected event in the middle east, take your pick, iran, israel, syria, libya. here's the question, what will be the october surprise in this year's pres
and ronald reagan won that election in a landslide. more recently osama bin laden released a video four days before the 2004 election, remember? that reminder of the 9/11 attacks probably helped george w. bush win a second term. 2008 the financial meltdown technically that started in september with the collapse of lehman brothers, but it was a moment that boosted barack obama and highlighted john mccain's weakness when it came to the economy. so what about this year 2012? that old video of an...
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instead, they were freed as soon as ronald reagan was inaugurated, delayed freeing the hostages. >> it fed into the whole dynamic of the 1980 race in the sense that jimmy carter was a stumbling, ineffective president. >> reporter: fast forward to 1992. president george h.w. bush was already on the ropes against bill clinton over a sluggish economy. when casper weinberger was implicated in the iran-contra scandal shortly before election day. bad news that bush, who served as reagan's vice president, did not need. in 2004, a classic october surprise. osama bin laden released a video on october 29th, just four days before election day, in a razor thing race between president bush and john kerry. three years after 9/11, it served as a reminder of the terrorist threat and strategists in both parties believe had helped president bush. more recently, the term october surprise has come to mean a seismic event in the fall of an election year. most have centered around foreign policy, others have been about the economy, like in 2008. when the economy imploded, john mccain's advisers say his camp
instead, they were freed as soon as ronald reagan was inaugurated, delayed freeing the hostages. >> it fed into the whole dynamic of the 1980 race in the sense that jimmy carter was a stumbling, ineffective president. >> reporter: fast forward to 1992. president george h.w. bush was already on the ropes against bill clinton over a sluggish economy. when casper weinberger was implicated in the iran-contra scandal shortly before election day. bad news that bush, who served as reagan's...
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they have a disadvantage going into the first debate as we said in 1984 ronald reagan overprepared and he actually did worse. >> the democratic surrogates talking down the president, they actually make a pretty convincing case. >> he has to defend himself too. >> he does have to defend himself. by the way, once you've been president and you've had people running around you handing you everything you ever needed for the last three and a half years, it's difficult to stand in front of people and have somebody wag their finger at you and say, now you answer this question. >> you could see that with bush in '04 that he seemed a little pe pet lent at times. >> didn't they do that to you as governor? >> it's tricky. even though he becomes a candidate, he has to speak in a certain way different than the leeway that a candidate has. >> okay. we're going to have to take a quick break right now. when we come back we're going to get my esteemed panelists unsolicited advice and maybe some from me. stay with us. does your phone give you all day battery life ? droid does. and does it launch apps by
they have a disadvantage going into the first debate as we said in 1984 ronald reagan overprepared and he actually did worse. >> the democratic surrogates talking down the president, they actually make a pretty convincing case. >> he has to defend himself too. >> he does have to defend himself. by the way, once you've been president and you've had people running around you handing you everything you ever needed for the last three and a half years, it's difficult to stand in...
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so a lot of this stuff, ronald reagan ran for president in 1984 said i want to do tax reform. he didn't have a plan, he came up with his plan and passed it two years later. >> there are a fair number of specifics out from both candidates. we're trying to parch them or compare them. >> well, some people in the media. there's a lot of media. and so different people do different things. i think there's more policy analysis available to people in all of the iterations of media. >> i think this would be the best platform for debate. do we have chuck yet, alex? >> he's not -- >> oh, good. new polls out from quinnipiac university show president obama with a narrow lead heading into wednesday's debate. president obama leading 49% among likely voters. but when it comes to women, president obama has stretched a lead to 18 points, 56% to 38%. the gap tightens when it comes to which candidate would better handle the economy, just one point separates them. when asked who would win tomorrow night's debate, the president nearly doubles mitt romney 54% to 28%. that doesn't mean anything. with
so a lot of this stuff, ronald reagan ran for president in 1984 said i want to do tax reform. he didn't have a plan, he came up with his plan and passed it two years later. >> there are a fair number of specifics out from both candidates. we're trying to parch them or compare them. >> well, some people in the media. there's a lot of media. and so different people do different things. i think there's more policy analysis available to people in all of the iterations of media. >>...